tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7759915552923848328.post4290484827750484313..comments2024-02-14T08:28:25.334-05:00Comments on WampaLeaks: Taunton Indian casino – Call for independent community impact statements by July 2, 2012Cin Anhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06621176263731299957noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7759915552923848328.post-19799402252146829222012-06-15T15:56:04.761-04:002012-06-15T15:56:04.761-04:00Game set and match:) Git Bird!Game set and match:) Git Bird!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7759915552923848328.post-54415914524061045032012-06-14T15:20:03.403-04:002012-06-14T15:20:03.403-04:00Wow, again you are really good at twisting things ...Wow, again you are really good at twisting things to meet your criteria. While I agree we are equal to the federal government (not above it, Nice try) in some things. We are still Americans and subject to the rules and laws of this land. I believe I still pay taxes and provide to the common defense of our nation (that being America).<br />I note that you refused to answer why Tribes are “set apart” interesting approach and verbiage choice here. We are above the United States how is that possible??? We are sovereign because for many a good year some folks tried to deny that we were even a people (you know “less than”) or even Indian for that matter. All of these diversions and slick talk worked well up to a point. That point was the final acknowledgement by the Federal Government that they had made a terrible mistake; in seeing their error, the Federal government is now rectifying that mistake by providing rules and policies through sovereignty for my folks to “catch up” with the things that have been denied for a greater than good long while <br />I will attempt to use simple speak here, what you seem to be upset about is that the Wampanoag have been give something (sovereignty), that you seem to think is “not fair”. I understand that I also note that you have not really looked into the historical record, since you are focused on the illogical assertion that we showed up in Mashpee; How did you put it. “There was no land stolen in Mashpee. Tribal members came there to be praying Indians and learn Christianity.” This is unbelievable, based on this line the Wampanoag stumbled into Mashpee where the European folks helped them to be Christian, and based on this allowed the Wampanoag to live here (thanks).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7759915552923848328.post-39457094574404850562012-06-14T14:00:42.796-04:002012-06-14T14:00:42.796-04:00Let me ask you a another simple question why in th...Let me ask you a another simple question why in the world would I apply for a gaming license when the rules say I do not have to do this??? You are stuck on this is not an American Enterprise system (really) I am not the one who needs to check their facts and I submit that if you simply speak in plain English the truth will be revealed. <br />Here you go again now trying the old divide and conquer rule when you say “Did you know there is a whole bunch of tribes out west who are furious that tribes who were not damaged by the Dawes Act have the nerve to claim land under the IRA? Really, How many tribes in bunch??? Now you are the authority on how other tribes feel, wow you are one in the know person. Again, you twist the truth so it fits your agenda “Mr Tricky man” TSK, TSK, TSK, sorry not working. And yes you are actually beyond misinformed <br />Sir/Maam, the Wampanoag folks dealt with the Pilgrims who left England (for various persecutions) for the Americas and came into contact with my folks when they first arrived, simply look at our shiny new dollar coin for simple proof of this fact (see how the we were here first thing works). <br />Settlers were considered those who were apart of the westward expansion under that pesky “manifest destiny process” oops did I say that. I will ask again respectfully that you review the historical record; even the ones written by the Europeans have some truth in them. <br />Finally, you say something very ignorant and to me super silly “I don't respect any group of people who claims to have been wronged by the settlers without acknowledging the restitution that has been afforded tribes throughout the years.” Sir/Maam, this shows your lack of understanding the historical record (even a little bit). <br />I make no claim at anything and you may be stunned to learn that I do not think you have done anything to me in fact you owe me nothing, since you were not around when all the damage was done to my folks (and it was long before 1978), look it up Cuz. <br />However having said that, I do hold the Federal Government responsible for the bad treatment of all Indians across this land; For you to understand what I am talking about you must really read the historical record as this will take your narrow twisted view and expand it to full digital clarity.<br />Since I am not in the magical wishing business we cannot go back and “change the course of history (Like superman did for Lois Lane in Superman #1) to make things right, however you do show some signs of human compassion for that thought <br />For the record you are paying for nothing the Federal Government is correcting a wrong kind of like reparations to the Japanese Americans for stealing all their land and belongings, and before you say that is your tax money it is also mine, you see I pay taxes too, so who is paying who??? <br />If you had this opportunity I do not believe you ware care one Jot what I would think, so I stand by my original assertion Huzzah, Huzzah, Huzzah let the American enterprise system work even with all its flaws, both Tribal and Federal. So you see we are not separate but all Americans, you just seem upset because you cannot figure out how to make this legal economic process work for you. American for Americans (TR)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7759915552923848328.post-69714834344969023272012-06-14T13:59:54.649-04:002012-06-14T13:59:54.649-04:00I will attempt to use simple speak here, what you ...I will attempt to use simple speak here, what you seem to be upset about is that the Wampanoag have been give something (sovereignty), that you seem to think is “not fair”. I understand that I also note that you have not really looked into the historical record, since you are focused on the illogical assertion that we showed up in Mashpee; How did you put it. “There was no land stolen in Mashpee. Tribal members came there to be praying Indians and learn Christianity.” This is unbelievable, based on this line the Wampanoag stumbled into Mashpee where the European folks helped them to be Christian, and based on this allowed the Wampanoag to live here (thanks). <br />Has it ever occurred to you that the reason the Wampanoag survived and were not simply killed outright is that they became “praying Indians” as a survival mechanism, and for the record The Wampanoag were here first. <br />See what I mean about that twisting thing, you are very good at revising the historical record (not) and making it appear that Europeans were here and we just showed up like magic, You really cannot be this foolish, your words are slightly twisted just enough so they appear to make sense. I however cannot be fooled “Mr. Tricky Man”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7759915552923848328.post-35311198732818340482012-06-14T13:56:23.565-04:002012-06-14T13:56:23.565-04:00Wow, again you are really good at twisting things ...Wow, again you are really good at twisting things to meet your criteria. While I agree we are equal to the federal government (not above it, Nice try) in some things. We are still Americans and subject to the rules and laws of this land. I believe I still pay taxes and provide to the common defense of our nation (that being America).<br />I note that you refused to answer why Tribes are “set apart” interesting approach and verbiage choice here. We are above the United States how is that possible??? We are sovereign because for many a good year some folks tried to deny that we were even a people (you know “less than”) or even Indian for that matter. All of these diversions and slick talk worked well up to a point. That point was the final acknowledgement by the Federal Government that they had made a terrible mistake; in seeing their error, the Federal government is now rectifying that mistake by providing rules and policies through sovereignty for my folks to “catch up” with the things that have been denied for a greater than good long while <br /><br />See nextAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7759915552923848328.post-10764949427062430902012-06-13T18:57:50.884-04:002012-06-13T18:57:50.884-04:00The last anonymous poster was not me. Glad you...The last anonymous poster was not me. Glad you're not offended...lol...it was hard to tell. <br /><br />Its funny that you think the casino will be part of the American Enterprise system because it is run by an American Indian. Did you understand the benefits of sovereignty? As a self-governing group operating on tribal land, you are above the laws that the rest of us live under. The very nature of tribal sovereignty sets tribes apart. If you think tribes operate an American business, just go ahead and suggest that they apply for a commercial gaming license. I'm guessing the answer will be no.<br /><br />You should probably check IGRA. It requires a compact, which is a tribal/STATE agreement required by Federal law. You think that is an example of the feds protecting tribes from the states? And the feds give the governor the opportunity to oppose trust land within their borders. You think that is evidence of the protection given by our federal government?<br /><br />There was no land stolen in Mashpee. Tribal members came there to be praying Indians and learn Christianity. They were assimilated by choice. They had political control of their community, voted and held elected offices in Mashpee and owned their land and homes. But what do I know, I can only go by the history the tribe claimed for itself in 1978. That story has changed somewhat due to the requirements of IGRA.<br /><br />Did you know there is a whole bunch of tribes out west who are furious that tribes who were not damaged by the Dawes Act have the nerve to claim land under the IRA? Did you know they have been lobbying hard against a Carcieri fix? Did you see the letter Salazar wrote to the Regional Directors explaining the purpose of the IRA? And you think I'm misinformed?<br /><br />I don't respect any group of people who claims to have been wronged by the settlers without acknowledging the restitution that has been afforded tribes throughout the years. I don't think I know anyone who doesn't wish that we could go back and change the course of history. But I believe just as firmly that we have to stop paying for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7759915552923848328.post-9978355622600866772012-06-13T13:27:54.244-04:002012-06-13T13:27:54.244-04:00I do not know but I have my own questions about th...I do not know but I have my own questions about this first light Inc thing:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7759915552923848328.post-83128713805901127492012-06-13T13:22:53.653-04:002012-06-13T13:22:53.653-04:00About the response I expected, as soon as the trut...About the response I expected, as soon as the truth is spoken deceit and foolishness hits the road with an unintelligent and thoughtless retreat, git bird:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7759915552923848328.post-16890682613919863842012-06-13T13:11:07.613-04:002012-06-13T13:11:07.613-04:00Why did Cedric Cromwell dissolve the Project First...Why did Cedric Cromwell dissolve the Project First Light Inc right before the Election in Taunton ?Joannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7759915552923848328.post-52865762783119103542012-06-13T13:09:12.120-04:002012-06-13T13:09:12.120-04:00You just outed yourself thank youYou just outed yourself thank youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7759915552923848328.post-37024413849145518942012-06-13T11:28:48.146-04:002012-06-13T11:28:48.146-04:00Wow, so I am either really stupid or I am a discre...Wow, so I am either really stupid or I am a discredited liar, Yikes!!!! So much for the free enterprise system; Sir/Maam, it is not I who is “horribly misinformed” but you yourself (imagine that). By definition of the term American Indian, this is an American enterprise. You are clearly lacking knowledge of the historical record of what has happened to American Indians in our country. <br />Do you ever wonder why the Federal government has done this terrible thing of not allowing state taxes and other “unfair practices” against you and the poor, defenseless State?<br /> Why would they give the Wampanoag these Federal level governmental powers??? Does the IGA favor the tribe or acquiesce to the tribe’s sovereign rights status as a nation unto themselves. Please stop twisting the facts with local politics. <br />The separation of Federal and State issues with the tribe has been ongoing for centuries (look up the word compact), the federal government acknowledging the tribe as an actual people was a huge milestone for the Federal government (I am thankful for that corrected wrong). <br />This acknowledgement is based on lands stolen and lives lost, (do not believe me look at the historical record). THEY PAY NO TAXES, because we are a sovereign nation. However really look at the compensations that are being offered in lew of taxes (this is what I mean by twisting the facts).<br />The credibility issues you speak of are about individuals of the tribe and this may be with some tribal members if proven (innuendo is not proof) I will defer to the findings of any relevant and proper investigation not innuendo! However, it is not a credibility issue of the tribe as a whole: Example I vote, I have kids, I work hard every day, I follow the laws of the land, and probably I am not that different from you. Well except for the whole, I am a liar and stupid remarks you made about me (not offended however, I chalk it up to misinformation on your part). I did not vote for mayor Hoye so I reserve comment on that topic.<br />I am only responding to what I see as attacks on my folks, which I see as a misinformed lack of knowledge about the historical record. Please review the historical record and I think you will see why things are the way (and rightly so) they are you may be stunned at what you find in the reading. <br />I believe you really are not interested in the historical record but are more concerned because history is starting to catch up with you and you are not in accord with the results of our shared history or the corrected (Tribal rights) wrongs that will affect your perceived future. “I get it” it is not fair (your perception), to you but please review the historical record and see what true unfairness looks like, I caution you however you may not like what you read. After you review that, please adjust your verbiage accordingly. Just a concerned American like youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7759915552923848328.post-85731081944646801452012-06-13T09:29:14.517-04:002012-06-13T09:29:14.517-04:00Anonymous is either horribly misinformed, or a rea...Anonymous is either horribly misinformed, or a really good liar. The proposed casino is NOR an American enterprise. In fact, if it were, the tribe would have no interest in building. The casino will be on sovereign land; land owned by the US but under the governmental powers of the tribe. Local and state laws will not apply, there is little to no federal oversight, they pay NO TAXES, the IGA favors the tribe and will not allow taxpayers in the community any standing in court if they need further mitigation, and last but not least, this tribe has credibility issues.<br /><br />However, they do have one thing going for them; enough money for a PR campaign that prevented any real concerns about this project to be addressed by the people of Taunton. <br /><br />Mayor Hoye is no leader, and was clearly a big mistake by the voters. Since he is not running for re-election, I am wondering if he was promised a job in return for his blind support. It will be a small victory when Mayor Hoye ends up unemployed and no hope for re-election.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7759915552923848328.post-24972872252347632942012-06-12T17:09:11.586-04:002012-06-12T17:09:11.586-04:00Actually I do not know of whom you speak, why so a...Actually I do not know of whom you speak, why so angry:) iam paid nothing just responding to Wamapaleaks, becasue I can!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7759915552923848328.post-61498985087503101372012-06-12T16:42:05.803-04:002012-06-12T16:42:05.803-04:00You know who Paula is and you know who Brooke is d...You know who Paula is and you know who Brooke is don't play stupid.How much are you getting paid?Joannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7759915552923848328.post-41327984340148808322012-06-12T16:16:23.227-04:002012-06-12T16:16:23.227-04:00Sorry for the typos:)
1. Who in the world is Paul...Sorry for the typos:)<br /><br />1. Who in the world is Paula Brooke???? Why is that nonsense, can't we just agree to disagree? sounds like the American process to me. Yep Free Enterprise at its finest:) Gotta love it!!!! Huzzah!!!!!! American for Americans (TR)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7759915552923848328.post-29525379443546121862012-06-12T15:37:50.788-04:002012-06-12T15:37:50.788-04:00PaulaBrooke when did you come out of Taunton.You m...PaulaBrooke when did you come out of Taunton.You must be getting paid for that nonsense you just wrote.Joannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7759915552923848328.post-89154922339709414922012-06-12T13:59:02.632-04:002012-06-12T13:59:02.632-04:00Huzzah, Huzzah, Huzzah for the free enterprise sys...Huzzah, Huzzah, Huzzah for the free enterprise system!!!!!! As an American I welcome this enterprise. It is about time we had some competition and imagine that American Indians may for once have a fair and equitable chance to provide for their own. Imagine fellow Americans attempting to use what makes America great "free enterprise". If you do not like the casino do not go, it really is that simple. Your bashing of this process is somewhat lopsided and speaks not in the full truth mode, I think you know where you are being dishonest :) I say RUN don't WALK Mashpee Wamps get your slice of the American dream, be as successful as you can be, after all we are all Americans and should be going after life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, isn’t’ this what we all strive for and why not it is truly an American passion!!!! Sounds like some are mad because they are not able to figure out how to make this work in their favor TSK, TSK, TSK, be careful nay Sayers your jealousy is showing. American for Americans (TR)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com